REMARRIAGE: What If This Really Happened ?

[4given]

How much more must one endure of such distorted doctrine?

Do we need yet another study?

[child_of_light]

Part 1: The study was two long to answer all the questions on one post
My response to your statements are thus:

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Child_of_light If you did not know that your husband was alive and you would of thought that you could remarry then how could you sin willfully?

Ahhhhhhhhh, so you do agree no willful sin was performed. A point of agreement at last !

Child_of_light: Yes I  agree she did not willfully sin, because she did not no that her husband was still alive.
26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Heb 10:26-27

But once she came to the knowledge of  her husband was alive, then she came to the knowledge of sin. That she was bound to her 1st husband.
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Child_of_light: but when you come to the knowlege that your husband was alive, then you would no that it was sin.
20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin
Romans 3:20

17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.
James 4:16-17
She is accused by the law, she is under the law:

 39 The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth; but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; only in the Lord. 40 But she is happier if she so abide, after my judgment: and I think also that I have the Spirit of God.
1 Cor 7:25-40
3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
Romans 7:3
(As it is written if she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress)

I highly disagree! It was not sin when they married. He was literally and actually thought to be dead. Thus she was free to marry the other man. That which was not sin from the beginning is not made into sin by chance or circumstance beyond one's control.

One can see they did not come to the knowledge of sin. These came to the knowledge of grave misinformation. These were told and believed as such the former husband was dead. I dare say there can be no knowledge of sin when one does not know they sinned. Such is the case for these.

Child_of_light: but it was sin in the beginning, it was not a willfull sin.

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then what could you do, you just cant go back to your 1st husband because you would pollute the ground you walk on.

1 They say, If a man put away his wife, and she go from him, and become another man's, shall he return unto her again? shall not that land be greatly polluted
Jer 3:1


On this I do agree!

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I think you should stay with the current man, and put away the sin by repenting, but I dont think you could become one flesh anymore because that would be adultery. You would be help mate to each other, there is nothing wrong with perfect love.

An impossibility as you declare it. The two are already one flesh. One can not undo their oneness. It already is such.

You agree they should remain together. They are husband and wife. Dare she violate the Word by failing to submit to her then husband? Dare she violate the Word by failing to perform her duty as a wife?

Child_of_light:
15 Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid.
 16 What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.
17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.
18 Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.
19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
 20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.
1 Cor 6:15-20
(As it is written FLEE FORNICATION)

Quote from: 1Corinthians 7:4-5
The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife.

Defraud ye not one the other, except it be with consent for a time, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again, that Satan tempt you not for your incontinency.

Child_of_light: Here is something to consider, you are bought with a price,
18 Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body. 19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? 20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.
1 Cor 6:18-20

Does not the Word say
Quote from: Colossians 3:18
Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord.

Child_of_light:
7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. 8 Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded. 9 Be afflicted, and mourn, and weep: let your laughter be turned to mourning, and your joy to heaviness. 10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.
James 4:7-10

Quote from: Ephesians 5:22
Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.

7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. 8 Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded. 9 Be afflicted, and mourn, and weep: let your laughter be turned to mourning, and your joy to heaviness. 10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.
James 4:7-10

3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress:
As it written she is called adulteress if she is married to another man.
Who should she submit herself to: To the man she comits adultery with or GOD.

29 And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life
Matt 19:28-29

26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. 27 And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple
Luke 14:26-27

Would you unfairly expect her current husband to live with his wife and be denied her pleasure? What did he do to deserve such?

Child_of_light:
But she that liveth in pleasure is dead while she liveth.
1 Tim 5:6

10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
2 Thess 2:10-12

5 Ye have lived in pleasure on the earth, and been wanton; ye have nourished your hearts, as in a day of slaughter.
James 5:5
 And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, as they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you; 14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:
2 Peter 2:13-14





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[child_of_light]

Part 2
quote]None sinned with intent. Shall all three be denied? Would not each burn with their desire? Would they not be tempted to sin because of it?[/quote]

Child_of_light:

12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
Romans 5:12

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
Romans 5:19

1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? 2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
Romans 6:1-2


17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid
Gal 2:17

16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. 17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
Gal 5:16-17

 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Gal 5:19-21

 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. 17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.
1 John 2:16-17




13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.
1 Cor 10:13

Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.
James 1:12

Would the man who married her in good faith understand the perfect love of his partner without the fullness of his partner?

18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.
1 John 4:18
Love is not lust, if they love each with perfect love then can walk in the spirit of God and over come the temptations of the flesh.

Be perfect, be of good comfort, be of one mind, live in peace; and the God of love and peace shall be with you.
2 Cor 13:11

Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
Matt 22:37-40

If you love your neighbour then you would not want to commit adultery with his wife. If  Jesus is in then you would not live in adultery.
If a  man and a woman cannot live in Christ and obey his commandments then how could they live and love each other? God comes first, you have to serve God before you serve man.

Would not her denial of access to her body due to him as her husband be a sign to the man she did not love him?

Child_of_light:
And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
Mark 12:30
 

13 No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.
Luke 16:13
If her 2nd husband cannot cease from sin, then he will hate her, because you can not serve two masters,
They can serve God together or they will be devided.

As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love. 10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love
John 15:9-10

How can you keep God’s commandment it you live in adultery?
You will love God and keep his commandments or you will not. Will you serve God the creator or the creature.

35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
Romans 8:35

Do you want the love of Christ or man, will a man or woman separate you from the love of Christ.

9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
Romans 13:9-10

Would he not then have reason to question the woman's seriousness in the marriage?

Child_of_light:
4 Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge
Heb 13:4
If the woman choses to serve God and to repent of the sin by the putting away of sin, then her seriousness to Christ is more important then to the man.

One might even become filled with jealousy, thinking perhaps she desired to return to her former mate.

 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.
2 Cor 11:2

We should serve God and not man, if the man love the Lord with all his heart and was a true christian he would not feel jealous, but the love of God and his word would cast out all fear of the woman being with the other man. And if the woman loved God with all her heart she would be joined to the man in the spririt of the Lord. This more powerful then walking in the flesh.

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nce again your reasoning is inane!

I dare say you bear all the marks of an individual enslaved by their own legalistic doctrine.

34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
John 8:33-34

22 For he that is called in the Lord, being a servant, is the Lord's freeman: likewise also he that is called, being free, is Christ's servant. 23 Ye are bought with a price; be not ye the servants of men. 24 Brethren, let every man, wherein he is called, therein abide with God.
1 Cor 7:22-24


 For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.
Gal 1:10

One might assume you are either separated, divorced, or yourself the victim of another's adultery.


Perhaps forced into a life of abstinance by your own beliefs. One who now wants others to suffer along with you because you yourself believe you must suffer without a mate.

Child of light:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
Romans 8:17

4 For verily, when we were with you, we told you before that we should suffer tribulation; even as it came to pass, and ye know.
1 Thess 3:3-4 (KJV)
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us: 13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.
2 Tim 2:12-13 (KJV)

Choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season
Heb 11:25
20 For what glory is it, if, when ye be buffeted for your faults, ye shall take it patiently? but if, when ye do well, and suffer for it, ye take it patiently, this is acceptable with God. 21 For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:
1 Peter 2:20-21
14 But and if ye suffer for righteousness' sake, happy are ye: and be not afraid of their terror, neither be troubled
1 Peter 3:13-14
For it is better, if the will of God be so, that ye suffer for well doing, than for evil doing.
1 Peter 3:17
 Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.
1 Peter 4:16
Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin; 2 That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God.
1 Peter 4:1-2

If such is not so I still feel pity for you. What a miserable person you must be on the inside to have bound yourself to such legalism !
My flesh does not rule me, I walk after the spirit:

But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. 24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. 25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. 2
Gal 5:22-26


Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5
1 Tim 2:4-5
I can see the truth of the word of God.

Matt 22:24-33

Have you not wandered out of context? This speaks not of marriage itself. Was not Jesus in this passage refuting the Sadducees for failure to believe in the resurrection?

Child_of_light :Yes this about the resurrection and marriage, Like you are saying in this question: who wife shall she be. The two men had her and who’s wife shall she be?

But she is not going to be there wife. Just as much now, she cannot be two men’s wife.

Have you not again succeeded in wrongly dividing the Word?

   

Child of light
Yes I believe I have rightly divinded the word, the woman can not be two men’s wife, just like in the reserection. I said that she can not have two husbands, but you say she can. She has a living husband and is married to another man. In the reserection she cant be married to them, and now she can not be married to them.
What is the Lords prayer say? As earth as it is heaven. Jesus is teaching them

The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage: 35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:
Luke 20:34-35

The children of this world marry and are given in marriage: But those who accounted worthy!
They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all
Luke 17:27 (KJV)
 
Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; 29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
Luke 17:28-29 (KJV)
As it is written in the days of Noah they were wicked .

5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
Gen 6:4-5 (KJV)
5 And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.
Gen 19:5 (KJV)
13 For we will destroy this place, because the cry of them is waxen great before the face of the LORD; and the LORD hath sent us to destroy it.
Gen 19:13 (KJV)

[Hwy]

Child,

I tried to give your study a fair appraisal. Now maybe it's just me, but I find it very hard to follow. I also see a number of things you have taken way out of context. I'm not even going to try dealing with every one of them. But I will address a few which are the most seriously presented wrong.

For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.
2 Cor 11:2

We should serve God and not man, if the man love the Lord with all his heart and was a true christian he would not feel jealous, but the love of God and his word would cast out all fear of the woman being with the other man. And if the woman loved God with all her heart she would be joined to the man in the spririt of the Lord. This more powerful then walking in the flesh.

The context is speaking of us spiritually and Christ as our husband.

Again you do not present this in a realistic sense. Being joined with him in the spirit of the Lord is one thing. It is not the whole marriage relationship.

It would not be walking in the flesh for a couple who are married to enjoy sex. Have you forgotten one of the first commands God gave to mankind was to be fruitful and multiply?

Sex is not just some perverse fleshly thing. It is a God given desire which is meant to be partaken of in the context of marriage. Outside of marriage, and only for the sake of selfish pleasure, the way the world sees it would be wrong. But not in the confines of marriage.

Now it's almost as if you are making sex a dirty thing, when it's not. God placed sexual desire within the human creature. Then he instructs us to freely enjoy sex, but only in the marriage relationship.

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Quote from: 1Corinthians 7:4-5
The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife.

Defraud ye not one the other, except it be with consent for a time, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again, that Satan tempt you not for your incontinency.


Child_of_light: Here is something to consider, you are bought with a price,
18 Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body. 19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? 20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.
1 Cor 6:18-20


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Does not the Word say
Quote from: Colossians 3:18
Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord.

Child_of_light:
7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. 8 Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded. 9 Be afflicted, and mourn, and weep: let your laughter be turned to mourning, and your joy to heaviness. 10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.
James 4:7-10


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Quote from: Ephesians 5:22
Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.

7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. 8 Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded. 9 Be afflicted, and mourn, and weep: let your laughter be turned to mourning, and your joy to heaviness. 10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.
James 4:7-10

3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress:
As it written she is called adulteress if she is married to another man.
Who should she submit herself to: To the man she comits adultery with or GOD.

29 And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life
Matt 19:28-29

26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. 27 And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple
Luke 14:26-27

What you are so blindly overlooking is a few simple facts.

First, by your own admission in an earlier post this second man IS her husband.

Second, and this is the important part, for her to truly submit to the Lord she must submit to the Word.

Third, The Word tells her to submit to her husband.

Now you are telling us she should not to do that. So in essence your attempt to say what you think she should not do would then be telling her to violate what the Word tells her to do.

That's a contradiction !

This is why I know your teaching is flawed. The Word does not contradict itself, but you are misusing one passage to contradict another.

The bottom line is the woman is married to the man. She is his wife. And the Word tells her she has a responsibility to him. If she does not fulfill that then she is not submitting to the Lord either. Because she is not submitting to what the Word tells her to do as his wife.

She is to obey her husband, love him, submit to him, and not defraud him sexually. THAT is what the word instructs her to do. Not doing that in the marriage is a failure to submit to God, by not submitting to what the Word tells her to do.

Your teaching says do everything else, but don't have sex with the man. Why bother telling her to do any of the other things either?

You suggest she be his help meet, but you are omitting the fact that part of that is to be the one and only one he goes to to fulfill his sexual desires.

Why not just tell her to do anything she pleases as long as she never has sex with someone, and does not commit any other sins?

There's no sense in her submitting in any other way to the man, if as you say even though she is married to him she can not really be his wife in every way. If she isn't really completely his wife in God's eyes, none of the other things apply either.

She can stop being submissive to him, she does not have to recognize him as the head of the relationship. She is not obligated to obey him, love him (as a wife), or fulfill any other responsibilities a wife is instructed in the Word to do.

That is what your teaching suggests, even though you have not actually said it. What you teach is rebellion to the God ordained authority her husband has over her. And part of that authority is that she submit to his desire for her sexually.

Would it be scriptural to tell her not to submit to him?  I don't think so !

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Would you unfairly expect her current husband to live with his wife and be denied her pleasure? What did he do to deserve such?
Child_of_light:
But she that liveth in pleasure is dead while she liveth.
1 Tim 5:6

This isn't talking about this sort of situation at all. In it's context it is speaking of Widows who live in pleasure outside of marriage. But this woman is not a widow is she? No, she's a married woman!

Since the woman we are discussing IS married, and pleasure with your partner in the marriage relationship is part of that relationship, she is not doing wrong in it. She is obeying the Word by not defrauding her husband.

10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
2 Thess 2:10-12

Another fine job of being out of context. This is speaking of the delusion of the wicked, who could not receive the truth about Lord Jesus Christ that they might be saved. They wallow in unrighteousness of every kind. They are the deceived who totally reject the Gospel.

5 Ye have lived in pleasure on the earth, and been wanton; ye have nourished your hearts, as in a day of slaughter.
James 5:5

This verse you have wildly taken out of context. James is speaking of the woes of them who are rich. This has nothing to do with a situation like the one in our discussion.


I want to say at this point that there are many passages if taken out of their context can be used to prove just about any point you want to. But using them outside of their proper context is misuse. We must be careful not to do that in an effort to prove an argument.

The sad part about this whole thing is that you keep painting these individuals into a corner. With your teaching they will be disobeying the Word no matter what they do. You have not succeeded in proving anything but that.

She can not defraud her husband according to the Word. But you are insisting she does exactly that.

So, in spite of your attempt to teach us, you have not made any progress. You have only succeeded in further proving there is a flaw in this as you teach it.

She is still trapped in sin, with no way out.

[child_of_light]

Okay Hwy, you say I took this verse out of contexts:

For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.
2 Cor 11:2

Now what makes God Jealous
14 For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:
Ex 34:14

When turn to a god who teaches that you don't have to keep God's commandments then you are serving another god.

 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God
2 Thess 2:4

Now the devil does lie and teach against the word of God. So when you believe in another god that does not teach from the word of God and changes the God's word to something Else then you do serve another god.

19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Matt 5:19

13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. 14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
2 Cor 11:13-15 (KJV)

I preach that if you marry another person other then your 1st spouse and if they are still alive then you do commit adultery.
Now the word does bare witness to me and what the bible teaches me by the spirit of truth.

Hwy preaches that if you married to another then you do not live in adultery:

The bible teaches: Read what the bible teaches, these words come from God and not me:

The Bible Teaches This:

But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.
Matt 5:32

-Okay who ever marries her does commit adultery-The husband put away his wife so he could commit fornication-and who ever marries his wife commits adultery-

 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery. 10 His disciples say unto him, If the case of the man be so with his wife, it is not good to marry.
Matt 19:9-10

The husband cannot put away his wife for any reason unless she commits fornication against him, Now in the above scripture he said the same but he used the husband.

Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her. 12 And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery.
Mark 10:11-12

As it is written in the bible here also if they put away there husband or wife they still commit adultery


18 Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery.
Luke 16:18

19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God

Gal 5:19-21
These are the works of the flesh: and if you do these and donot repent then you will not inhereit the kingdom of heaven


39 The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth; but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; only in the Lord. 40 But she is happier if she so abide, after my judgment: and I think also that I have the Spirit of God.
1 Cor 7:39-40

And here if the wife is under the law if her husband is not dead

 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband. 3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.

Romans 7:2-3

As it is written the woman is free from her husband if he is dead.

This is my stand to God whom I serve, It come from straight from the bible and not from me. I have not change the word of God to fit my life. You can believe the word or you can choose to believe a lie. There is no exception God does not have respect of person.  Either you serve God and keep his laws or you do not.

hwy also used the verse when he told them to be fruit and multiply

Also remember God destroy that world with a flood:

 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, 39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be
Matt 24:37-39


 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. 28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; 29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
Luke 17:27-29

5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly; 6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;
2 Peter 2:5-6

Open your eyes to the truth!

[4given]

One can see you understand almost nothing of God's grace !

For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.

I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

One can also see you pick and choose what suits your legalistic religion. Is Christianity legalism?  Is it not one of grace through faith, by which one is saved. Not in the observance of the Law.

Repeated exceptions for divorce and remarriage for the innocent have been shown you. These have not come from opinion. They are plainly present in the Word.
 
I likewise agree you doctrine contains diverse errors and contradictory statements. You alone fail to recognize such.

Are you not but a modern day Pharisee? Insistent upon inflicting your beliefs upon all.

Do you not also emit the same pride as they? Ready to condemn those whom oppose you ?

Shall we forget it was they, the legalists, who caused the Romans to crucify our Lord ?

You are as they were. A condemner of the innocent !

[Dylai]

i have not said much on this. cause im not married. never was. maybe one day i will tho.

just saying cause of i think its good to only marry for life. not all have that tho. one lady i know got cheated on. done dirty by her husband. she did no wrong in it. got divorced cause of the man left with another woman. left her with 3 children all alone. broke her heart.

now i worry of how this is bein said. cant marry ever again? makes me think of what the bible says.

1Ti 4:1  Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2  Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
1Ti 4:3  Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

forbid to marry? that is not right to do. not by this. to say dont marry the bible says is doctrine of the devil.

more i wonder of. when a man divorces you. cause he wants someone else. if you got children with him. then he dont pay support. what of that? how do you take care of them? should the church support them? pay to raise them?

do you just go on welfare? dont sound right other people who pay tax have to pay to raise your children. not their fault. is like making people you dont know pay cause what got done wrong to you.

some dont think of the children in this. how they suffer in it. if a man runs off and leaves all of them. dont come back or be a part of their life after they divorce. the bible says not to hurt or offend them. would hurt them more not to have a father than to have another man who isnt their father be a father to them. be there for them like a father should. they wont have that if you dont marry again. children need both mother and father for a normal life. one person cant be a mother and father too. would be best to remarry if you can. for you and your children.

[Hwy]

Dylai,

That's an interesting observation on your part!


Child,

Your citing of the verses in Matthew 24 and Luke 17 is lacking in completeness. To be understood CORRECTLY you should have included a little more than what you did.

Since they are similar in content, I will only deal with Matthew 24. What you presented should have included more to be contextually correct.

But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

Now the key to this message is contained in the verses you conveniently left out. Not in the part you cited.

Your highlighting of the phrase marrying and giving in marriage was done for what reason?  I take it you were trying to use it to support your point of view. The truth is you could have just as easily highlighted the word eating and tried to use that as a means of suggesting starving ourselves is what we should do.

In the Greek, the term "marrying" means "to wed", and the phrase "giving in marriage" is the equivelent of our modern phrase, "giving your daughter away in marriage". The last part pertains to the father of the bride.

I've heard some people try to say it means something else, and use it improperly to signify it means divorcing. So for more clarity, take a look at the Strongs Greek definition of the phrase, "giving in marriage".

G1547

ekgamizo¯
ek-gam-id'-zo
From G1537 and a form of G1061 (compare G1548); to marry off a daughter: - give in marriage.
 
G1548

ekgamisko¯
ek-gam-is'-ko
From G1537 and G1061; the same as G1547: - give in marriage.


Now what that whole thing meant along with everthing else included in the passage you quoted is very simple. Jesus was making a point that people would be living their day to day lives as usual. Completely void of thinking about his return. His return would take them by surprise, just as it did in Noah's time with the flood, and Lot's time when Sodom and Gomorah was destroyed.

Luke 17:27-29 gives a more detailed description of this by adding, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded.

The reference in both Matthew and Luke pertain to the fact that people will be so busy living their lives they will be oblivious to the signs of the times, and they wont even know what's going to happen until it happens. Just like it did when the flood came, and just like it did when God rained fire and brimstone down from heaven.

The essence of his message is, Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.(Matthew 24:44)

He was not speaking about divorce and remarriage in this passage. In both messages Jesus was advising about the urgency to ALWAYS be ready for his return. And showing us how the world will be so caught up in the cares of this life that they wont be ready.

Any true believer with an ounce of biblical understanding knows we are in a period of time where Christ could return at any moment. So what should we do?  Be ready at every moment !

I preach that if you marry another person other then your 1st spouse and if they are still alive then you do commit adultery.
Now the word does bare witness to me and what the bible teaches me by the spirit of truth.

Hwy preaches that if you married to another then you do not live in adultery:

That was a very poor representation of me. I assume it was an attempt to discredit?

I have told you all along I am not a proponent of divorce and remarriage. Look back in the other topics where we have debated this issue before you attempt to slaughter my character.

You've done a fine job of quoting only the parts of scripture that support your argument. But, as usual you conveniently leave out the parts of scripture that contain biblical exceptions to the rule.

I have already brought them out on numerous occassions. But you walk right past them because they refute what you teach.

Adultery/Fornication on the part of your spouse. (Matthew 19:9)
 
If an unbelieving spouse departs. (1Corninthian 7:15)

Open your eyes to the truth!

Open your heart to the grace of God !

You are living in a performance based mode of attaining righteousness. That is not how the New Testament tells us to live.

You are so caught up in attaining righteousness through self effort that it has you bound. Unable to truly understand the grace, mercy, love, and forgiveness of God, as it should be understood.

Again, I am not promoting divorce and remarriage. I have said that many times. But you keep insisting the opposite is true of me. I have only pointed out the fact that exceptions exist in the scriptures, which allow people to divorce and remarry. They are very limited and precise exceptions. And anything outside of that is definitely wrong.

I have never said it was OK to divorce and remarry for any reason you choose. But that seems to be the way you would like to portray me to others. Which is very unfair, and apparently the only means you have left of trying to make me look bad, and make yourself look more believable.

Your attempt to attack my character and integrity seems to be the weapon of choice when I disagree with you, and back it up with scripture. I am not the only one who can see that.

I think 4given has got you nailed down fairly well.

Are you not but a modern day Pharisee? Insistent upon inflicting your beliefs upon all.

Do you not also emit the same pride as they? Ready to condemn those whom oppose you ?

Shall we forget it was they, the legalists, who caused the Romans to crucify our Lord ?

You are as they were. A condemner of the innocent !

When you have some spare time you might want to consider doing a very in depth study of Romans 4. It describes how our righteous is truly obtained. Anyone who takes the time to study this should easily be able to see it's not the way you say it is.

Amazingly enough Romans 4 speaks alot about Abraham, who lived before the commandments were given to Moses, and why he was considered a righteous person, from God's point of view. That chapter uses him as the example of how we obtain righteousness. It is not in the keeping of the Law, but through faith.

You might want to also do a thourough study of Galatians while you're at it.

Legalism does not please God. We can not make ourselves righteous enough through self effort to please God.

For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

The commandments were part of the Law. As the passage above shows us, the Law is not of faith. You want to make people believe we must keep the Law through self effort. And if you can do that, as the scriptures tell us, "the man that doeth them shall live in them".

Now if you are going to stress keeping one part of the Law, you must keep the whole Law, or you are a transgressor.

Are you going to tell us you keep EVERY PRECEPT contained in the Law ?

If you insist upon keeping the Law, and you do not keep every jot and tittle of that Law, you are a transgressor of the Law. And you are doomed by your own insistence that any part of the Law must be kept.

But guess what? God has made an easier way for us. He did that at the cross. Now what he wants us to do is have faith in Christ, and the atonement made at Calvary, through his death, and his resurrection.

It is not through our own effort that we become righteous enough or good enough . But in the yielding of ourself to be led of the Spirit. (Romans 7:6 & Galatians 5:18)

Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Open YOUR eyes to the truth !

Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

[child_of_light]

First I am not teaching not to marry. I only said what is written in the scripture.  The Lord Jesus Christ and Paul.
I said it not good to marry if the bed is defiled, and that is what the bible teaches.  I aslo said what the scripture teaches that if you having a living spouse and are married to another then you commit adultery against that person.

And when you live under the law because it is written: Thou shalt not commit adultery, then you are not under grace of Christ but under the law which brings death. You can not be under the law if you under Grace. If you are under grace then you do not brake the law.

I will go more in to detail latter and reason my explanation with hwy and dylai. I not using my own words but the Lords word which is found in the bible.

I plan to come back in a few days if the Lord wills. I hope to continue to have an open minded debate on the matter.  I would like to go into more detail on the parrable's about Jesus's Coming.

2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.2 Cor 11:1-2

[4given]

I doubt this would be such

I plan to come back in a few days if the Lord wills. I hope to continue to have an open minded debate on the matter.  I would like to go into more detail on the parrable's about Jesus's Coming.

Should you not have said if it's your own will ?

Have you not consistently been proven to be a misuser of the Word, one who contradicts, misinterprets the scriptures, and impoperly divides the Word ?

My what insistence you exhibit in compelling us to agree with your legalistic religiousity !

One can but hope you will soon grow weary of your foolishness and cease from annoying us with such false doctrine.

[Dylai]

you do forbid to marry tho. i see that. you keep sayin it. then you say you dont?

not all can. only people who divorce for ways the bible says they can. then its ok. you can marry again. not jus anyone tho. gotta be a believer if you marry.

[child_of_light]

The world is your enemy.
And the bible teaches not me that you should not marry if the bed is defiled. If you have a living wife or husband then the bed is defiled.

31 , Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement:

32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.
Matt 5:31-32

If a man puts you away because he want to fornicate against you, and who ever Marries you that is divorce commits adultery. The bible does stay because you are Innocent and the man sinned then you can remarry. The scriptures tells who ever marry her that is divorced commits adultery.

 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery
Matt 19:9

As it is written that a man cannot put away his except for fornication, if she fat,lazy mean you cannot divorce her. But if she fornicates against you then you can divorce her. And when he marries another he commits adultery and who marries her commits adultery.

As it is written: 11 And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her.
12 And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery.
Mark 10:11-12

If a man or woman puts away her husband or wife  and marries another commit adultery

18 Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery
Luke 16:18

39 The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth; but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; only in the Lord. 40 But she is happier if she so abide, after my judgment: and I think also that I have the Spirit of God.
1 Cor 7:39-40

These are Gods words and not mine. They come from the bible. It is up to you to see the truth. You can go against God if you chose.

I have warned you and you have read for yourself.

 18 When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.

19 Yet if thou warn the wicked, and he turn not from his wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul.
Ezek 3:18-19

1 Would to God ye could bear with me a little in my folly: and indeed bear with me.
 2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.
3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. 4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

You are preaching another Jesus. You are beguiled by the serpent. You cannot be a chaste virgin in Christ if you live adultery.
I am done with this topic and moving on to another topic. I am sorry I could  not convince you that adultery is sin and you cannot marry other people's husband and wife's. I have warned and show you with the word of God.  You have put up a good fight against GOD. If you choose to remain and sin and to teach sin then judgement will come your way. I hope you repent and sin no more.

Now I have become your enemy because you are Gods enemy. You are friends to the world and follow after their liberties to remain in sin.

[4given]

My how quick you are to judge and condemn when one disagrees with you.

If you are ones enemy it has nothing to do with our stand with God. It is by choice because you despise being disagreed with and observed as wrong.

None have suggested marrying another's spouse. We have but proven the scriptures show exceptions to divorce and remarriage in specific instances.

This topic was exhausted long ago. All but you could recognize it. I dare say your choice to cease from attempts to push your legalism on us is long overdue.